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Posted on 23-12-05 05:25
Smile Wow you all misunderstood;; I meant the people that have no siggies, no avies, no post counts, no points, and no reason to be posting in here... I meant the people who did join to say "How do I hack hotmail" and so they have a total of maybe 3 posts;;


Looking back I understood how you all misunderstood me;; BTW, I am not high and mighty but if you all feel that way I will just delete the thread (Or ask for it to be deleted) I just wanted to make the internet a better place... Eh?


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Well desy if that is what you ment then I take back what I said.


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Posted on 23-12-05 07:27
Silliy Hackers, Skripts Are For Kid's!


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Posted on 11-01-06 00:49
I agree

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However I don't see how you could possibly stop SKs from consuming the internet, more likely keep them from specific parts of it.


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Posted on 11-01-06 21:19
Can i get my name added?


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Posted on 11-01-06 22:45
i totally agree..


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Posted on 15-01-06 02:06
I agree
Aww sweet, an internet government... lol. Not like my say really counts because no one knows me.

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Posted on 17-01-06 14:24
Hi,
I need a clarification on the definition of SK before I agree or disagree.. Take this case for example:
A guy looks through a vulnerability listing and finds an exploit, say an SQL injection vulnerability or code injection vuln or somethin' in some webapp. He knows enough about SQL injections to know how they work.He knows enough about google and queries to find vulnerable targets. He finds some targets. He hacks into them and while at it, finds a new vuln in the software. He uses both ways to hack the sites and defaces them(can be anythin' from a small HTML comment to a full-fledged defacement with big fonts and JS alert boxes) but leaves the site content intact. Then he informs the admin of the security hole and exactly how to fix it. This person is someone I know. He knew what he was doing, how to fix the only etc.. He only used an exploit found by someone else, cuz he is too lazy or frustrated after going through lots of code trying to find vulnerabilites. I have heard some ppl say that defacements are gay and that only skiddies do defacements. Does this classify him as a skiddie? I need a clarification.Thanx

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Posted on 17-01-06 16:31
I agree with thomas.

No one wants to reinvent the wheel, a.k.a. y shud u waste ur time trying to break into something that has already been broken into?

Although after breaking in if all u do is destroy and smash and become the cyber hulk then i'd concider u a SK. if u get in and look around to try and find more vulnerabilities or just get in and tell the guy he's vulnerable to an old attack, i'd concider u not an SK


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Posted on 18-01-06 16:35
Disagree.

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Conditionally.

Definitely an interesting concept, and no doubt started with the best of intentions. It largely comes down to perception on terms, so I want to be a little more clear, and I will attempt to stay on track with the original point. I find the original post to be a little difficult to follow, so I apologize in advance if I'm a little off topic.

I agree that some 'script kiddies' can certainly be annoying.

I disagree that they all are, and I disagree on the concept of 'eliminating' them. I definitely disagree that there's nothing that can be done about them. Xer0X summed it up perfectly. To paraphrase, "the solution begins and ends with education". Is that not what majority of these 'hacker challenge' sites are all about?

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As for definitions, any person who has done their research can easily point out the 'classical' definitions of hacker and cracker, and the differences that they contain. However, it cannot be argued that those definition have evolved over time. After all, the original definition of 'virus' mentioned nothing to do with code or computers, and yet the definition has evolved to include the vernacular. As such, I personally use the commonly accepted evolved definition of 'hacking' and 'cracking'.

I think that the reference of 'script kiddie' comes down to someone who want to use pre-existing work, but does not care to understand the fundamentals upon which it is based.

All in all, I applaud sites like HBH. They do a great thing by allowing a place where people can learn more about a wide variety of subjects. Maybe you're not a hacker, nor wish to be one (hat colors aside), but learning how they think and what they deal with is an extremely beneficial journey that you can use to apply to any number of fields. Mathematics, programming, hardware, security, cryptology, algorithms, data structures, etc etc.

Personally, I originally started down this path to try to understand how to write more secure code, and I can't believe how much I've learned on that journey.

It's also worth mentioning that it's too superficial to judge the 'worthiness' of people based on the lowly criteria of points alone. We've all got to start somewhere, so be merciful to someone who wants to better themselves by spending time learning more about a particular subject. It's very easy to look down upon someone when you're at a higher level than they are. Next time you do, I hope it's because you're offering your hand down to the next person to help them up. =)

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Posted on 19-01-06 01:28
agree!
anyway

now i gonna read all other answers and try to follow topic Smile




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I think that the reference of 'script kiddie' comes down to someone who want to use pre-existing work, but does not care to understand the fundamentals upon which it is based.
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So, is that my answer? That the hypothetical person I introduced is NOT an SK?

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Thank you


I would like to personally thank you all for taking part (Unknowingly) in a study;; If you wish to have your name removed from this study, please state so beneath this post;; Your input has been greatly appreciated;; Seeing as the study is in its final stages ((Aka Conclusion)) I would like to ask you all to ignore what is said in the first post;; I will be promptly blacking it out;; Remove the signitures if you wish, or if you wish to advertise it for historical means, do as such;;


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Posted on 22-01-06 09:27
It is impressive the coverage your signiture got I had seen it on someother sites. Will you be posting this study?


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Posted on 22-01-06 15:46
yeh i get lots of ppl too who wanna hack hotmail... or UTOPIA RUNESCAPE NEOPETS WoW BattleNet YAHOO aol porn sites.... there's one guy who even sent me a fake login screen LOL i flooded it with random data.... i might post it here cz it looks pretty neat..
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Posted on 22-01-06 17:39
Hehe, nice subject for a study Wink

Could you pls post the study? I'm very interested in reading it.


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Posted on 23-01-06 09:47
Yeah i agree but inforunately sk are goin to be around no matter what Angry


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Posted on 24-01-06 06:02
I will be posting the study within the next week - 2 weeks I should say;; Just to inform you all I will attempt to exclude names as much as possible;;


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Posted on 12-04-06 22:48
Xero wrote:

Instead of eliminating the script kiddies, why not educate the script kiddies.


That's what I was thinking. I mean, you at least need some comp knowledge to be a skiddy, so they're all already kinda partially there. The hacking community would be better if they learned to hack instead.


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Posted on 19-04-06 17:33
That used to be the case, but today, with the proliferation of webbased tools (eg: msfweb), its gotten so easy that many of the script kiddies have moved away from the ./leet_spl0it, and have been using the webbased tools with IE.

There was a study about it on SANS a while back.. as the internet and computers themselves become more and more user friendly, people get more and more comfortable with technology, but yet they actually learn less in the course of using it..

Anyways, thats just my 0.02. And, desholures, I'd like to see that report of yours. It'll probably be really interesting. ;)

Hmm, its been a *loong* time since I last posted on HBH...


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