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Posted on 21-08-10 17:04
Seeing as HBH has been, well dead, I figured I would create this thread. What would make you guys want to come back more often? More challenges, a new competition, or even something completely new?

Post your ideas here and let's see what we can get brewing.


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Posted on 21-08-10 17:22
Programming challenges for the community preferably in no set language so everyone can participate.


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Posted on 21-08-10 17:33
I was thinking of something like that a while back. Challenges that would take some time to do on paper but easier with a program. Such as: 1015th Prime, or the largest palindrome under 1 million.


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Posted on 21-08-10 18:14
yours31f wrote:
I was thinking of something like that a while back. Challenges that would take some time to do on paper but easier with a program. Such as: 1015th Prime, or the largest palindrome under 1 million.


People go to project Euler/Spoj for that.



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Posted on 21-08-10 18:43
I vote competitions. I've yet been able to participate in one.
And more coding stuff.


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Posted on 21-08-10 19:39
stop being optimistic already.

you know, everyone here wants to contribute. so do I for sometime ago.

but look. the main person in charge of HBH is never around. I think absentee fathers tend to see their kids more often than Mr_Cheese has towards this site for god knows how long.

and the dev's team in a mess. so little contributions, and no one is accepting submissions, this site gets fucked so often, no new features, no new articles whatsoever. no work ever gets done on this site.

hell, even the newsletter team is practically dead. only me, futility and ynori7. Sure, the three of us can bang up some articles, while the rest of this site probably spends most of their time assuming something is broke when their answer to a challenge doesn't work, and bitch when the work is sub-par.

so, unless there's a revamp in management, I'd say stop being hopeful. You see why EG could easily beat us? they're better in us in several aspects, such as better challenges and more efficient management.

and whenever someone wants to make a challenge, everyone in here goes "oh, project euler has that already" "oh, hackm3 challs has that kinda thing as well" and the seniors sure as fuck ain't helpful in any regards regarding this site.

so, we need a revamp in management, better dev staff, and an improved attitude. I can be optimistic from time to time, but right now I'm just cynical.



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Posted on 21-08-10 21:43
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so, we need a revamp in management, better dev staff, and an improved attitude. I can be optimistic from time to time, but right now I'm just cynical.


That's exactly why I was so optimistic about that guy who wanted to 'buy' HBH a while back. Yeah, he was a stupid fuck (and probably a troll), but at least it would've been better than nobody at all paying attention to the site.

I'm not even sure why Cheese still wants ownership of HBH anyways, I mean how much is the ad space really worth to him?


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Posted on 21-08-10 23:24
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how much is the ad space really worth to him?


Considering 1/3 of the site most likely doesn't even see them or click on them.


Just because it is slow, doesn't mean it has stopped. I'm sure if someone made a worthwhile challenge, system or one of the other somewhat active devs would do it. The problem is, no-one really makes anything worth the time it would take.

I do agree with the fact that cheese is not active enough. He does need to find a new group to run the site. New stuff would make the site more active, therefore making cheese more money.

So, CHEESE: What is the problem?


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Posted on 22-08-10 02:37
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There are fuckloads of challenges on the "waiting list", but nobody can be fucked to add them.
There are also some other top secret planS inVolviNg something that I'm apparently not allowed to tell you, but what d'you know, we're waiting on Cheese again.


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LIBERATE SOURCES, DOWN WITH THE ADMINISTRATION.

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Posted on 22-08-10 16:03
but how do we go around doing that?

and secondly, while this means that everyone in HBH can easily add content to the site without the need of an approval from an admin, almost anyone with a grudge against HBH (ie EG, DMZ) would find a way to corrupt the db, steal the passwords, drop the tables, etc.

so if we want to open HBH up to allow others to develop it, we need to increase the level of security, as well as more reliable backups since I anticipate more assjackery from our enemies, so we would be able to bounce back after an attack.


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Posted on 22-08-10 17:50
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but how do we go around doing that?

while this means that everyone in HBH can easily add content to the site without the need of an approval from an admin


You clearly don't understand the concept of distributed revisioning systems, forking code and requesting upstream merges.

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Posted on 22-08-10 18:51
The idea would be to speed things along, which will hopefully include patching known problems. I don't think that this would be a security risk. Someone makes a change, and it follows a chain of blame up to whoever finalizes it.

The bottleneck is cheese, or at least lack of anministration. So you guys don't have to make everything open source, just open it around the bottleneck. Making it so more people see the code could bring more traffic to the site too.




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We could implement a voting system. Every user has the ability to vote, but they get as many votes as they have CP. That way more experienced users get more votes, and noobs get less. And after the challenge is approved, we can vote to get rid of it.

Just an idea.



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We could implement a voting system. Every user has the ability to vote, but they get as many votes as they have CP. That way more experienced users get more votes, and noobs get less. And after the challenge is approved, we can vote to get rid of it.

Just an idea.

You think that after we've pretty much said fuck all has been done for months that something like that is going to be implemented?


I think getting cheese to release the sources would be the first step. Additions could always be done on an email basis until something better like a voting system is made.

What's the worst case scenario with releasing the sources anyways? dead is dead.


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Like has been said, bollox to the polls etc let's just get some form of distributed version control. Git would be my choice.

This idea is completely pointless though, as most will be in this thread. Cheese will never read.


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Like has been said, bollox to the polls etc let's just get some form of distributed version control. Git would be my choice.

This idea is completely pointless though, as most will be in this thread. Cheese will never read.


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Posted on 25-08-10 00:11
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He told me that he would sell HBH for 6k


Looks like he favoured me then.



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Looks like it. Is there anyway that the community could donate spare cash then if we get enough we could buy HBH from him and then it is own buy all of us instead of just one person ?


Not to be negative, but that would never work.
Even if our members had the spare cash around to donate $3000, which I seriously doubt, trying to keep site ownership "neutral" would be near impossible.


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Wait for it to be open source, then make our own?


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