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Posted on 09-07-06 14:05
I created this thread in relation to the article by mozzer which seems to have stired a debate on what true idenity of the 'hats' and of his new 'Rainbow Hat'. The article comments rocked and need a forum thread, this may already be done, sorry if so.

http://www.hellbo. . .cle_id=429
^^^^^^ mozzers article ^^^^^^^


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Posted on 09-07-06 14:16
Good idea. I feel that the people who were unjustly arguing with me may find this a fairer playing field.

Firstly can I ask to split this debate up over a week. Each two days we will eventually come to an agreement on one thing,

I.E. Days 1 & 2

Debate on White Hats

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Establish the definition of white hats
Highlight the problems and advantages etc


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Posted on 09-07-06 14:36
I think hat in general is stupid you do what you think is right witch is based on YOUR moral. everyone is different and we have different meanings on whats a "black hat gray hat or white hat) so there is relay no way to say whats right and wrong....

"Sometimes you got to shot the good guy's to get to the bad guy's."

i like the idea tho of the "rainbow hat"


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Posted on 09-07-06 15:00
http://fixedbefor. . .ainbowhat/ go to it in an ie tab!


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Posted on 09-07-06 15:03
If you want I'll try to get 0rijin4l to make a userbar for Rainbow hats. (He designed my sig)




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Posted on 09-07-06 15:50
wikipedia has a decent explanation of white hat hacking
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_hat

As the article explains, white hat hacking is defined more by the ethics behind a hackers actions more then the actions themselves. In this particular instance, the ethical system is defined

* the belief that information-sharing is a powerful positive good, and that it is an ethical duty of hackers to share their expertise by writing free software and facilitating access to information and computing resources wherever possible; and/or

* the belief that system cracking for fun and exploration is ethically acceptable as long as the hacker commits no theft, vandalism, or breach of confidentiality.


So the real question becomes, what part of this ethical system is a problem for a rainbow hacker? Do they not believe in information sharing or do they believe that system cracking is always wrong, regardless of any actual harm done. And if a rainbow hat hacker believes in the above two premises, what actually differentiates him ethically from a white hat hacker?

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The script kiddie example you gave in the article I don't think is an accurate reflection of a white hacker activity. Giving out code in the such a manner that not only doesn't do much to teach anyone about security but seems to all but encourage malicious ignorant use of scripts is an unlikely activity for anyone who really is a white hat hacker. Grant it, a white hat hacker may believe in the free dessimation of information, and may feel that the knowledge reaching malicious users is inevitable, but it is still contrary to the definition to encourage malicious use.

Edited by Thucydides on 09-07-06 16:11
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Posted on 09-07-06 15:53
Black Hats

Not really much to say here. They are malicious and bad for the internet. The definition is; A malicious hacker who exploits - or publicises - a security weakness before informing the affected organisation. This destorys companies. How is that good?


Not entirely correct and very one sided




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Posted on 09-07-06 16:30
like ive said there has been other artilces on this already...

http://www.hellbo. . .cle_id=410

we need to stop worrying about hats. seriously if you want to know what a true hacker is and how he can be represented read my OLD article on it.

http://www.hellbo. . .icle_id=67

one of the best article that i have written a long time ago



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Posted on 09-07-06 16:30
Explain what is wrong with my definition of a BHH and white hats do generally report problems to sites such as milworm so that still get recognition.


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Posted on 09-07-06 16:42
i dont think it was your view... atleast i dont.

i just think this hat thing is getting way... way out of hand.

thers only 3
-black
-grey
-white

thats it. just stick with that. ppl are trying to be different and make up hats. no problem do that. If Microsoft can make up the blue hat then you can make up the rainbow hat.

if you dont think you fall in the cat of black or white... then you are grey thats how it works. If you dont want to be grey then just claim yourself as an individual that doesnt go with the hat idea. NO ONE said you had to have a hat. I dont. I only have a title.
That title is "Network Security Advisor"


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Posted on 09-07-06 17:00
Thucydides wrote:
wikipedia has a decent explanation of white hat hacking
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_hat

As the article explains, white hat hacking is defined more by the ethics behind a hackers actions more then the actions themselves. In this particular instance, the ethical system is defined

* the belief that information-sharing is a powerful positive good, and that it is an ethical duty of hackers to share their expertise by writing free software and facilitating access to information and computing resources wherever possible; and/or

* the belief that system cracking for fun and exploration is ethically acceptable as long as the hacker commits no theft, vandalism, or breach of confidentiality.


So the real question becomes, what part of this ethical system is a problem for a rainbow hacker? Do they not believe in information sharing or do they believe that system cracking is always wrong, regardless of any actual harm done. And if a rainbow hat hacker believes in the above two premises, what actually differentiates him ethically from a white hat hacker?

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The script kiddie example you gave in the article I don't think is an accurate reflection of a white hacker activity. Giving out code in the such a manner that not only doesn't do much to teach anyone about security but seems to all but encourage malicious ignorant use of scripts is an unlikely activity for anyone who really is a white hat hacker. Grant it, a white hat hacker may believe in the free dessimation of information, and may feel that the knowledge reaching malicious users is inevitable, but it is still contrary to the definition to encourage malicious use.


I pritty mutsh agree whit this and i agree whit you on that hes comend on black hats was totaly off...


But everything is based on moral (your OWN moral whitch is not ALWAYS the same as others!!!!!!!!)

Ps: no need to dubble post hack4you Wink


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Posted on 09-07-06 17:00
lol one day youll be asked..

Noob - "So what hat are you?"
You - "Oh me? im a ~*RAINBOW*~ hat."
Noob - *runs away*


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Posted on 09-07-06 17:03
Wahahah! !!!!B) goog one (rainbow hat name sucks)


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Posted on 09-07-06 17:08
Well maybe it is because you only see the world in black and white that you see people as being Black - Grey - White hat. I feel that RHs sum them all up and let people express what they really are


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Posted on 09-07-06 17:13
honestly i couldnt care less* about hats, hats are stupid and a waiste of time. just do your thing whatever it is and move on. regardless to whatever hat you feel you should be in or make up.

if you classify yourself in a hat group, your only limiting yourself. and no. Rainbow hat does not solve that problem.

There can not be more hats then the 2 original. White and Black. grey? wtf.. people just couldnt choose. You dont need to choose. there is no right or wrong hat. Accept that fact.

oh and.. black hats? dont criticize us if youve never been a true one.




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Posted on 09-07-06 18:34
Hats are pointless. Either you hack or you don't.


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Posted on 09-07-06 19:51
n3w7yp3 wrote:
Hats are pointless. Either you hack or you don't.


I can't quite agree with you.

I think hats are great as a short summary of your ethics, the kind of thing that might crop up in coversation, like "I'm a white hat. You?".

However, if you get in a full blown discussion about ethics and hacking, then throw hats out the window.

Hats are a simplification of a complicated issue. Treat them as such.




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Posted on 09-07-06 20:00
mozzer, definitely i need a sig like yours for me!! It rocks! Userbar would be cool but i dont like using them that much.


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Posted on 09-07-06 20:38
I agre that hats are useful but I think that there needs to be better clarification on the hatting system


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Posted on 09-07-06 21:17
mozzer wrote:
I agre that hats are useful but I think that there needs to be better clarification on the hatting system


http://www.hbhzin. . ./hats.html
theres your clarification Grin




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