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Posted on 26-07-06 10:06
I am in shock at what is happening.....this is something I would never want to see...Mr.Cheese....stay strong, you will make it out of this fine. I definetely know one thing though. We need to take action!
FIRST THING IS FIRST!
We need to preserve the Site!
like Deathrape pointed out
*We need to make backups of everything!*
Mr.Cheese you need to let us preserve HBH in all it's glory so that no one can claim victory over it.
There must be other things that can be done...
They can't just arrest someone without any solid proof.
We have to fight the system people! I do not mind going in front of a judge...protesting...marching, etc. If it will bring about a change, Because there needs to be a change. If They Can't see the truth, then We'll Have To Open They're Eye's and Show it To Them.

My crime is that of judging people by what they say and think, not what they look like. My crime is that of outsmarting you, something that you will never forgive me for. I am a hacker, and this is my manifesto. You may stop this individual, but you can't stop us all...





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Posted on 26-07-06 10:46
Yo Cheese, I kno diffrences ( Anarchy 99 and everything) But i still consider u a great guy and a mate.... I hope the best for you. Thank you for all the knowledge and help you guys have given me. I just wished that we met on better circumstance, But i guess thats how it was ment to be. All i really can say is Thanks to the admins and You cheese for everything. We must stay together and forget about petty disputes. But when ever someone says this nothing ever happens about it.

All my respect goes out to all the members, admins and Of course you Cheese.




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Posted on 26-07-06 10:48
this really sucks Sad

i dont even know what to say right now....

mr.cheese good luck and i have learnt a huge ammount from this site and for that i thank you.


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Posted on 26-07-06 10:51
I have written a petition, which I hope to submit as soon as possible, do you guys have anything you want to add to it?

By sarah_briarmoss (me)

To: The FBI and SS

Mr_Cheese, the loved admin of HellBoundHackers.org, is being arrested, for simply doing what he believed in, and being a 'True Hacker', sharing his knowledge with anyone who wanted to learn, and trying to do his part to make a difference in the world.

Myself, along with many other loyal members of this website, are outraged.


QUOTE FROM HELLBOUNDHACKERS.ORG:
Mr_Cheese wrote:
this is the hardest message i have ever had to write, and could most likely be my last ever post on HBH. im writing this message whilst struggeling to retain my tears. I have been dreading this day for my whole career.

i love this site. i love what it has become. i love the members on it.

Recent events have now caused me to give up "hacking", and soon give up HBH.

As some of you know im having problems with the Secret Service.

They have been investigating me for months now and even some members on HBH have been interevied by FBI agents.

Someone i considered my friend, and thought i could trust has actually been working for the SS and been sending them every piece of information he had on me. He even hosted HBH for a while just so the he could relay information to the SS. Thank you danserv.co.uk betrayel is something i never forget.

Secret Service also bugged/monitored the HBHCon and even arrested a member at the end of the day to get extra info. This member had his laptop coppied and room raided so they could gain extra info on me and HBH.

My AIM / MSN conversations are being monitored and recorded, my internet activites are being watched.

I am almost certain HBH is only on this current server because the SS are still investigating and allowing it to be up to gain further information on me.

This isnt even 1/2 of everything that is going on right now.

It is only a matter of very short time before i get arrested, and as soon as they have me in custody, there wont be a need for them to keep HBH online, so it will be taken down by Secret Service.

The True Hacker is a dying breed, and im sadened to say there is no room left in this world for them. I mean no joke when i say my skills have enabled me to literally save lifes all over the world. Now, my skills mixed with my intense ethical stance on everything i do, has become a threat to the gouvernment.

I've seen people deface and hack hundreds of sites for no ethical reason for the sole purpose of destroying it and attempting to become famous. Arent these people the real threat? These people have never done a ethical thing in their career, have never saved or even improved a single life via their skills, yet they dont get punished?

i cant desribe how im feeling right now. im just a kid and chances are im going to jail.

i love you all and will always remember you and everything everyone has ever done for HBH. i wish everyone the very very best with whatever they choose to do with their lifes. i only hope you can follow my example and make me proud.

im so very very sorry.


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I know that the media has portrayed the image of a hacker to be malicious, dangerous, and unethical, however, this isn't the case with many of us, especially Mr_Cheese. As you can see from his above quote, and many other forum posts, he is very ethical, and is a 'True Hacker', one of a dying breed.


Please, stop to think about this. Is this really fair? Should the FBI be arresting this teenager, simply because he has been steriotyped as bad? I don't think that's fair, and I'm sure that you'll agree too.

So members of HellBoundHackers, any other hackers, computer enthusiasts, programmers, security experts, and just the general public who agree with this, please sign this, in the hope that, although we are a minority, our words can be heard by the officials, and fairness can come into place.



And lastly, LONG LIVE HBH!

<3
sarah_briarmoss, on behalf of all members of HBH.


Does it sound good? Should I add more? Less? Should I just ditch this and go back to my day job?


If (although I hope that this never happens..) the site goes down, I have a copy of this. Email me at sjb01230@gmail.com.

<3

Sarah


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Posted on 26-07-06 10:52
Double post. Whoops.




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Posted on 26-07-06 11:01
Cheese. you have to be convicted in front of a jury of your peers... just stand up and tell them waht you stand for.. no juror in their right mind would convict you... read out what we write. tell them what you stand for. BE A TRUE HACKER TILL THE END. its not over....

THE FOLLOWING ARE THE ONLY CRIMES YOU CAN BE CONVICTED FOR WITH A COMPUTER.... and the fucks that enforce them

Computer intrusion (i.e. hacking)

* FBI local office
* U.S. Secret Service
* Internet Fraud Complaint Center

Password trafficking

* FBI local office
* U.S. Secret Service
* Internet Fraud Complaint Center

Copyright (software, movie, sound recording) piracy

* FBI local office
* if imported, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement
* Internet Fraud Complaint Center

Theft of trade secrets

* FBI local office

Trademark counterfeiting

* FBI local office
* if imported, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement
* Internet Fraud Complaint Center

Counterfeiting of currency

* U.S. Secret Service

Child Pornography or Exploitation

* FBI local office
* if imported, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement
* Internet Fraud Complaint Center

Child Exploitation and Internet Fraud matters that have a mail nexus

* U.S. Postal Inspection Service
* Internet Fraud Complaint Center

Internet fraud and SPAM

* FBI local office
* U.S. Secret Service (Financial Crimes Division)
* Federal Trade Commission (online complaint)
* if securities fraud or investment-related SPAM e-mails, Securities and Exchange Commission (online complaint)
* The Internet Fraud Complaint Center

Internet harassment

* FBI local office

Internet bomb threats

* FBI local office
* ATF local office

Trafficking in explosive or incendiary devices or firearms over the Internet




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Posted on 26-07-06 11:04
The thing is its the SS they can do what ever they like....* Framing *


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Posted on 26-07-06 11:15
Man Im so lucky I live in a country where the FBI and SS don't have duristiction all I have to do is never hack a US server and keep an electromagnet imbedded in my laptop with a kill switch on the back......
also a big old bucket of water helps!

Feel bad for you guys also ur a kid one word "minor" youve never been convicted so you will probably just get a fine and a slap on the wrists as they cant send you to juvinal.... not for first time not even people who do extreme hacks like kill 2000 systems get sent to jail if there a minor just massive fines...
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Posted on 26-07-06 11:20
Mothball wrote:
Man Im so lucky I live in a country where the FBI and SS don't have duristiction all I have to do is never hack a US server and keep an electromagnet imbedded in my laptop with a kill switch on the back......
also a big old bucket of water helps!

Feel bad for you guys also ur a kid one word "minor" youve never been convicted so you will probably just get a fine and a slap on the wrists as they cant send you to juvinal.... not for first time not even people who do extreme hacks like kill 2000 systems get sent to jail if there a minor just massive fines...


No no no he isnt actually a kid... in the eyes of the SS he is and he has a record. But fuck that LONG LIVE HBH


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Posted on 26-07-06 11:22
I've updated it with a bit more -

To: The FBI and SS

Mr_Cheese, the loved admin of HellBoundHackers.org, is being arrested, for simply doing what he believed in, and being a 'True Hacker', sharing his knowledge with anyone who wanted to learn, and trying to do his part to make a difference in the world.

Myself, along with many other loyal members of this website, are outraged.


QUOTE FROM HELLBOUNDHACKERS.ORG:
Mr_Cheese wrote:
this is the hardest message i have ever had to write, and could most likely be my last ever post on HBH. im writing this message whilst struggeling to retain my tears. I have been dreading this day for my whole career.

i love this site. i love what it has become. i love the members on it.

Recent events have now caused me to give up "hacking", and soon give up HBH.

As some of you know im having problems with the Secret Service.

They have been investigating me for months now and even some members on HBH have been interevied by FBI agents.

Someone i considered my friend, and thought i could trust has actually been working for the SS and been sending them every piece of information he had on me. He even hosted HBH for a while just so the he could relay information to the SS. Thank you danserv.co.uk betrayel is something i never forget.

Secret Service also bugged/monitored the HBHCon and even arrested a member at the end of the day to get extra info. This member had his laptop coppied and room raided so they could gain extra info on me and HBH.

My AIM / MSN conversations are being monitored and recorded, my internet activites are being watched.

I am almost certain HBH is only on this current server because the SS are still investigating and allowing it to be up to gain further information on me.

This isnt even 1/2 of everything that is going on right now.

It is only a matter of very short time before i get arrested, and as soon as they have me in custody, there wont be a need for them to keep HBH online, so it will be taken down by Secret Service.

The True Hacker is a dying breed, and im sadened to say there is no room left in this world for them. I mean no joke when i say my skills have enabled me to literally save lifes all over the world. Now, my skills mixed with my intense ethical stance on everything i do, has become a threat to the gouvernment.

I've seen people deface and hack hundreds of sites for no ethical reason for the sole purpose of destroying it and attempting to become famous. Arent these people the real threat? These people have never done a ethical thing in their career, have never saved or even improved a single life via their skills, yet they dont get punished?

i cant desribe how im feeling right now. im just a kid and chances are im going to jail.

i love you all and will always remember you and everything everyone has ever done for HBH. i wish everyone the very very best with whatever they choose to do with their lifes. i only hope you can follow my example and make me proud.

im so very very sorry.


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I know that the media has portrayed the image of a hacker to be malicious, dangerous, and unethical, however, this isn't the case with many of us, especially Mr_Cheese. As you can see from his above quote, and many other forum posts, he is very ethical, and is a 'True Hacker', one of a dying breed.

The site, HellBound Hackers, is also probably going to be taken down. We've had a bit of trouble in the past, with people questioning the legality of our content, but let me - and this (http://www.hellboundhackers.org/isthislegal.php) page assure you - we are a completly legal site. We break no rules. We teach, we educate. We hope, that someday, there will be fairness in the world, and hackers will be not judged by the few that do wrong, but by the many who do right.


Please, stop to think about this. Is this really fair? Should the FBI be arresting this teenager, simply because he has been steriotyped as bad? I don't think that's fair, and I'm sure that you'll agree too.


Quoting a magnificant piece of text by a personal hero of mine - The Hacker Manifesto by The Mentor - '...Yes, I am a criminal. My frime is that of curiosity. My crime is that of judging people by what they say and think, not what they look like. My crime is that of outsmarting you, something that you will never forgive me for. I am a hacker, and this is my manifesto. You may stop this individual, but you can't stop us all... after all, we're all alike. (from http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/manifesto.html)

I know I can't do much about this, but quoting a fellow member on HBH - 'I'd rather die standing then live on my knees' - and that's what I'm fighting for. This is what I, and many other members, think is right, and we're fighting for it. How can the government want to arrest and bring down Mr_Cheese, when he's helping the internet far more than he is hurting it.

I know that you're probably reading this, and thinking 'oh yeah, some random hacker kids. They don't matter, they're hackers, they just want my credit card number' or something. Well, I'd like to stop you there, and correct you. I may be a 'hacker', but I am certainly not what the media portrays me to be. I am not 'evil'. I do not hack and steal things. I do not deface sites just for the fun of it. I do not unleash viruses on the wild. I do not spend my spare time excecuting scripts on government websites. Instead, I fight for things that I believe in, like this.

So, fellow members of HellBound Hackers, any other hackers, computer enthusiasts, programmers, security experts, and anyone else at all who believes this is unfair: please sign this, in the hope that, although we are just a minority, our words can be heard by the officials, and fairness can come into place.



And lastly, LONG LIVE HBH!

<3
sarah_briarmoss, on behalf of all members of HBH.


Still sound good?


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Posted on 26-07-06 11:26
Sign!

http://www.petitiononline.com/LLHBH/petition.html


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Posted on 26-07-06 12:49
signed. and mr. cheese. maybe if u can make a deal with the FBI or SS.

Like agree to work for them for a temporary amount of time as a hacker.


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Posted on 26-07-06 12:50
Cheezey, you were the best! You still are! If it weren't for you, I bet at least 5,000 people out their would not have secure sites/computers or know the information that must live, if you give me the script I will upload it on my site even with the risk of getting killed. This needs to live like the person said on page 1! I'm gonna kill those SS:ninja:

-elommyo/ZenShado


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Posted on 26-07-06 13:00
Could this be the Second Great Hacking War?

The Authorities Vs The Underground

Ding Ding



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Posted on 26-07-06 13:05
Dont you mean HBH Vs SS? Pfft


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Posted on 26-07-06 13:05
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I can't believe this! I am fucking speechless...

I also can't believe you (Mr_Cheese) are apologizing (your last line @ first post), because those MORONS (they are morons) should be the one apologizing..

You're NOT going to jail, cheese, really. Just hang in there. I can't believe the FBI & SS are actually working on "this case".

They have better things to do, like stopping terro's from bombing country's right?

Hellbound will never die!

Signed: Laurens Greven, aka Spyware




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Cheese mate,

I know youve been an idol and inspiration to many of us here, including myself.

Trust me when I say we're not gonna give up without a good fight.





YOU'LL NEVER CATCH ME NOW.

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Posted on 26-07-06 13:30
FrownFrownFrownFrownWTF! i really cant believe this, i know i have had a few differences with some of the admins but i still reckon you are all wicked, cheese you have been awesome. hbh has been amazing, its where i first learnt and would like to still learn, if it werent for this site i would still be searching the web for random out of date e books lol. the ss are pathetic bastards and i hope they read thatSmileFUCK YOU SECRET SERVICE! dont they realise this is a LEGAL site? i hope this all blows over and that you cheese are able to keep running this site, how can they shut down a site that has helped thousands of young people to gain more knowledge of computers? long live hbhSad and of course the guy who created it mr_cheeseSmile


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Posted on 26-07-06 13:36
Dont worry, if FBI shut down HBH we rebuild it. Send backups everywhere they cant arrest all the world. We didnt nothing illegal in hbh and we have all the reasons to alive.




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Posted on 26-07-06 13:45
well this has definately urged me to learn as much about computers as my brain can takeSmile let me say...payback is a bitch!


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