HellBound Hackers | General | Debates

Sabrewulf wrote:
I come down on the privacy side of the issue.

ynori7 wrote:

This is a debate, give some reasoning, not just your stance.

rex_mundi wrote:
Ok so picture the scene .....a cheap affordable place you can visit at almost anytime of the day , to talk with friends or even meet with strangers , easily accessible by the majority of the masses , where anyone can go and listen to music , read books, play games , discuss politics and share ideas , opinions or information .

A concept apparently so dangerous to the ruling elite , that they decide they have to know everything that's being said and shared by the people visiting these places .

So the government commissions networks of spies etc , to infiltrate and monitor the conversations of their subjects , and attempt to restrict the open sharing of such information and ideas by the introduction of new laws and legislation .

So let's put this in it's proper historical context :

http://en.wikiped. . .se#History

As you see , this debate is neither new , nor modern , in reality , it is not even about 'privacy' or 'security' ....... it is about CONTROL , as it always has been .

AldarHawk wrote:
Privacy vs. Security:

I agree that Both are needed in the world we live in. We need a fair balance between the two. Privacy is needed to keep your own information as your own. If privacy were not an issue than the internet would not be anonymous (or so people say). Security is also needed because without security the privacy would be nothing since people would be able to access any information they wanted to.

I would have to say that security is more important though. Here is my reasoning. With Privacy you are stating that you have things to hide (which everyone does). These do not need to be things that are obtainable on the internet right now, rather more personal things like salary, social insurance number, etc... This is where privacy stands. Without it you are not going to be able to hide anything, what will come is lack of security through lack of privacy. So without the Privacy factor you cannot have security. Though this will be equally arguable in the other direction that without security you cannot have privacy I have made my points.

Please chip in your thoughts on this. I thought we wanted to make this into a debate not a "yes"/"no" scene.

<sidenote>
Also please note that unless you are masking your IP your location is easily obtained through tracking software that government bodies use. People can obtain your house address (or city block at least) with your IP as the ISP companies need to assign your location that way. If you are on Dynamic it only makes it slightly less simple. Remember, the ISP has all logs of where you live and what your MAC is. So through your ISP you are traceable no matter what you think.
</sidenote>

AldarHawk wrote:
No one else going to chip in on this "debate"? It is not seeming like a debate ATM :angry:

Pwnzall wrote:
"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."-Benjamin Franklin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_contract says:
Social contract describes a broad class of republican theories whose subjects are implied agreements by which people form nations and maintain a social order. Such social contract implies that the people give up some rights to a government and other authority in order to receive or jointly preserve social order.

AldarHawk wrote:
well writ Ynori7!

Lets get some more into this.

I agree that security is the most important part of the factor. Not by a lot but it is a stronger presence. If you disagree with Ynori and I please tell us why and back it up

shadowls wrote:
No need to Disagree.

richohealey wrote:
Like all things it's a case of balance, particularly because there's no chance of one without the other.
I stand on the horses for courses side of the fence.

Completely offtopic: Ynori7, hellsing is fucken win.

richohealey wrote:
Like all things it's a case of balance, particularly because there's no chance of one without the other.
I stand on the horses for courses side of the fence.

Folk Theory wrote:
I feel like singing the following with a beautiful melody, maybe even scream it at the top of my lungs, but since neither one can be conveyed through this medium, i will contend with typing it in full caps:
FALSE DICHOTOMY