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Posted on 09-03-09 19:35
I was wondering what users thought about programing in java,
I have had to learn this in computing at college over the previous year and personally have had no problems with it,
However I have heard many people comment that they find it slow and dislike it and was wondering other peoples opinions on it.
I am able to program in other languages so java is really just another asset that I have.


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Posted on 09-03-09 20:03
I haven't programmed in Java, but from what I know its that it depends very much on what you want to do, whether a language is good or not.


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Well, Java will soon dominate the market...


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Posted on 09-03-09 20:11
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Well, Java will soon dominate the market...


Even if it will, that doesn't make it good or bad. You shouldn't judge a language by its popularity.


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Posted on 09-03-09 20:17
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Well, Java will soon dominate the market...


Even if it will, that doesn't make it good or bad. You shouldn't judge a language by its popularity.


Well, it won't becomes popular from the NULL! Wink


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Posted on 09-03-09 21:02
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You shouldn't judge a language by its popularity.

In case you're code for a living; you must choose a popular language... Pfft


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c4p_sl0ck wrote:
You shouldn't judge a language by its popularity.

In case you're code for a living; you must choose a popular language... Pfft


True. But that doesn't necessarily mean that you should recommend the language to others and try to get more to use it. Wink


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True. But that doesn't necessarily mean that you should recommend the language to others and try to get more to use it. Wink


A single person can't affect the global situation of Java coding Pfft

PS. Jag har ju sagt åt dig att du ska böja dig fram och säga "Jak er snel hest" när jag sodomerar dig ^^


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A single person can't affect the global situation of Java coding Pfft

PS. Jag har ju sagt åt dig att du ska böja dig fram och säga "Jak er snel hest" när jag sodomerar dig ^^


No, but that's not the point. The point is that just because a language is popular doesn't mean that it's good.
And as a different argument, you use GML sometimes which gets totally f*cked up in olly. That can be good, can't it? Wink


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Posted on 09-03-09 22:36
I dislike Java, it is VERY slow.
If I had to choose a high level lang, it would be python.

About java dominating the market, thats impossible!
Bigger projects or games are coded in C/C++
You'll never find a driver coded in Java.

Python and Ruby are also growing in the market.

Java is cool for small apps, its easy and its portable.

(btw, IMO there is a small disagreement between java and C programmers...Grin:angry::happySmile


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Posted on 09-03-09 23:36
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I dislike Java, it is VERY slow.
If I had to choose a high level lang, it would be python.

Java is slow! 0_o
Where did you find this?
What were you coding in Java when you came up with this hypothesis?
Are you kidding me?! You want to replace JAVA with python!!!
Do you think you can do anything with python?!


About java dominating the market, thats impossible!
Bigger projects or games are coded in C/C++
You'll never find a driver coded in Java.

Python and Ruby are also growing in the market.

Java is cool for small apps, its easy and its portable.

Who told you that bigger projects and games are coded in C++?!
Nowadays, JAVA is everywhere (mobile, TV, airplane system, car system...)


(btw, IMO there is a small disagreement between java and C programmers...Grin:angry::happySmile


I'm not saying that Java is going to replace C++ in all fields, but take a look at what's in the market and what are the market needs...






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Who told you that bigger projects and games are coded in C++?!
Nowadays, JAVA is everywhere (mobile, TV, airplane system, car system...)


For security reasons Java isn't used in military aircraft. I believe Ada is used in some of the systems. Stripped down to the only necessary components for maximum security.


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Posted on 10-03-09 00:15
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Who told you that bigger projects and games are coded in C++?!
Nowadays, JAVA is everywhere (mobile, TV, airplane system, car system...)


For security reasons Java isn't used in military aircraft. I believe Ada is used in some of the systems. Stripped down to the only necessary components for maximum security.


Okay, I'm not neglecting some particular examples...
Certain levels of security are needed SOMETIMES...




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Posted on 10-03-09 00:22
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Okay, I'm not neglecting some particular examples...
Certain levels of security are needed SOMETIMES...


And you have to admit, there is a charm with a whole bunch of different languages to choose from. Wink


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Posted on 10-03-09 00:53
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Okay, I'm not neglecting some particular examples...
Certain levels of security are needed SOMETIMES...


And you have to admit, there is a charm with a whole bunch of different languages to choose from. Wink


True, but not always...
You can program for example in VB.NET or you can use C#, both are similar and charming Pfft But can you use these 2 language everywhere and in everything you want to do?!
I'm talking about Java as a good language that you can use everywhere and in everything you want to do... Java will dominate the market and you will see this soon... The big number of people who use a certain language can tell whether this language is good or not...
Always there exists some particular cases, but particularity comes from ignorance and laziness...

BTW: I'm not just a Java programmer who's defending Java, I'm also a C++ programmer...




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True, but not always...
You can program for example in VB.NET or you can use C#, both are similar and charming Pfft But can you use these 2 language everywhere and in everything you want to do?!
I'm talking about Java as a good language that you can use everywhere and in everything you want to do... Java will dominate the market and you will see this soon... The big number of people who use a certain language can tell whether this language is good or not...
Always there exists some particular cases, but particularity comes from ignorance and laziness...

BTW: I'm not just a Java programmer who's defending Java, I'm also a C++ programmer...


I believe that Java will be used very widely as well. But not just because it is what it is. It has gotten a firm ground now and required only a couple of MB large piece of software to be able to run on any platform.
But if another language had done the same, perhaps Java would not have been so big today.

Sure, Java is very compatible and since hardware is getting better, all performance differences between languages are decreased.

My point is that if someone had implemented this idea before Java, it could have been an entirely different situation.

I believe you should learn (at least the basics) of several languages to be able to compare pros/cons. Because there is no such thing as a perfect language, not in everybody's eye.


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Java is a good language to learn for a beginner wanting to grasp object-oriented programming. I know very little java, and have always talked down upon it in the past, but dude is right, it's fucking everywhere now. Mainly in web-apps, server side. That's where it has become most successful. It was initially designed for embedded systems, which it completely failed in. Well, not completely, java is used in some embedded systems, but it will never compare to the speed and power of C and assembly (in that area, anyways). They're also developing chips nowadays with a Java Virtual Machine built into one of the registers. I'm a C/C++ guy, and for managed code I prefer C# and .NET framework. I've been fighting off learning java for quite some time, but it's mentioned in most of the job requirements I've seen lately, whether its the main language required or not. I'm sure I'll learn it someday. The frameworks and libraries available for it are neverending, which is cool. It has also become very popular in the open source world, seems like most of the Apache projects are in Java nowadays. Hell they even have a distributed file system written completely in java now...although on that note, a recent survey revealed C was the most commonly used language in open source projects in '08. Old school is coming back! B)
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java may be good or whatever u say but

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Posted on 10-03-09 09:51
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No, but that's not the point. The point is that just because a language is popular doesn't mean that it's good.

A new language would never become popular unless it's good.

And as a different argument, you use GML sometimes which gets totally f*cked up in olly. That can be good, can't it? Wink

True, but I know decompilers for some versions of GM exist. (Not GM7 though... yet)


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