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RE: Getting a Job in Programming???

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Posted on 05-10-10 04:40
Interesting anecdote wired_al. Thanks for that. I guess when it comes down to it it's just about being passionate and learning and practising as much as you can.


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Posted on 05-10-10 14:32
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To be honest, at least in my area, no one will care if you have every certificate out there or if you have your PhD in Computer Science if you cannot speak in a manner that normal people can understand. That was the advice given to me at my last interview. His exact words were something like this... "Damn kids, I'm sure you know what you're talking about, but I don't" I managed to land the job by reminding myself that I was talking to a couple of older guys who are afraid of technology. I use C# and am the only programmer for a fairly large company. I have no certifications, I don't even have a single class that I have taken, not even at the high school level. Read a lot of books, learn how to interact with a SQL database. Most of all, talk so that other people can understand, at least the general idea of, what you are saying.


that's good advice, one that is often repeated but rarely taken heed of. But still, in most cases they require you to have some sort of certification to show them, since most companies I know require a certificate before going for the interview.


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Posted on 05-10-10 16:30
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Isn't that kind of market highly competitive? I would imagine there would be hundreds of people way more skilled then me. I'd have to learn heaps more before jumping into there wouldn't I?

And $10 or $80 is alright, but it's not anywhere near enough to be worth the effort... I'd have to be able to get at least $100 a week.


There is a realistic danger of being outsourced. And you're right, there are tons of people more skilled than you. There's always a bigger fish, which is why it's important to present yourself properly. Make friends with people you want to work with. And look at other resumes done by well paid people in the field. You could make that much with web developing, if you can get the work. Do a couple sites for free, and do a good job. Along with a resume, you need a work portfolio of your best work only. If you off to make a site for a company for free, the response will probably be something like "What, you're crazy enough to do this stuff for free? Awesome!"

At least a little formal training is always nice. I imagine that xhtml, css, js, vb.net, php, and at least some basic networking experience would be a nice little package. I think web developing, computer repair, and file recovery are all jobs that you can easily do on the side / free lance.

And yes people use VB. It's been dumbed down so that a wider variety of people can use it.

There's lots of other fields out there too you know. I decided that I didn't want to start a programming career because I'd probably be working in a closet until the day I got outsourced to india. So, I'm studying digital forensics and information security. We get to talk to people IRL =P




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Posted on 05-10-10 16:39
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wired_al wrote:
To be honest, at least in my area, no one will care if you have every certificate out there or if you have your PhD in Computer Science if you cannot speak in a manner that normal people can understand. That was the advice given to me at my last interview. His exact words were something like this... "Damn kids, I'm sure you know what you're talking about, but I don't" I managed to land the job by reminding myself that I was talking to a couple of older guys who are afraid of technology. I use C# and am the only programmer for a fairly large company. I have no certifications, I don't even have a single class that I have taken, not even at the high school level. Read a lot of books, learn how to interact with a SQL database. Most of all, talk so that other people can understand, at least the general idea of, what you are saying.


that's good advice, one that is often repeated but rarely taken heed of. But still, in most cases they require you to have some sort of certification to show them, since most companies I know require a certificate before going for the interview.


In my computer hardware class there was one of those guys that wanted you to know that he knew everything about everything. The teacher said "You want to get an A in my class? Make it one day where your lab partner doesn't come to me telling me he wants to punch you in the face."


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Posted on 06-10-10 02:16
I'm studying digital forensics and information security


Hmmm... that sounds intriguing... tell me more?

In my computer hardware class there was one of those guys that wanted you to know that he knew everything about everything. The teacher said "You want to get an A in my class? Make it one day where your lab partner doesn't come to me telling me he wants to punch you in the face."


Hahaha I think there are people like that in every field ay


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information security is ethical hacking. Every 4 years it is re-packaged though. It's also the same as information insurance and cyber security. I guess hackers aren't sexy anymore =(

digital forensics is officially a science like chemistry, but it is rather loosely guided. Depending on state law, they need to act like any other competent person in their field would (there is no set formula). The 2 main sources of work are court cases because lots of cases have electronic evidence that needs to be examined, and businesses. Their job is to thoroughly examine all evidence in a forensically sound manner (preserve the evidence). They make a lot of money, but the stakes are high. Generally people facing child porn charges will do anything they can to avoid it, including hire incompetent digital forensics experts and really scummy lawyers, or claim that you're unethical/changed the data. If you get any kind of criminal record, you'll probably have to go back to school.




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