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Posted on 01-07-08 22:24
Note to everyone: This is meant to be read by everyone, but please don't reply in this topic. I only want to debate with the site admins, and in particular, Mr_Cheese. Thanks for reading, and thanks for not replying. I appreciate it.

Dear HBH community,

For many years now, I visit this site. I login, check the forum, read the new articles and get a few laughs from the shoutbox. This all sounds fine, but some things bother me, some things need to be fixed, to be looked at, to be revamped, maybe even removed. In this open debate, I'd like to talk to the staff and suggest some changes that would freshen up this place. Before my mind wanders to the raspberry pudding I'm about to enjoy, I will speak up, and voice my opinion.

1) Articles. Some staff will accept anything just to get new content. Many articles are plagiarized, idiotic and unreadable. It's too late to get them out of the system now, but we -can- filter the articles which are yet to come. Don't accept rubbish, cause, it's rubbish. Dare to delete articles which get 10+ poor votes. Dare to question the source of information. Dare to question the quality of the article.

2) The forum. This forum is being flooded by idiots. Start removing this idiocy by LETTING THE IDIOTS READ THE FORUM RULES. They will remain blatant fools until you pushed the rules under their tiny little noses. The forum rules need an update too, by the way. Go check them out in the "rules" section of this forum, you'll see what I'm talking about. Those few lines of text don't "rule" anything.

Stop deleting threads, start LOCKING them. Deleting threads often cause confusion and irritation. By locking them, people can still read them and either find out why they were locked, or debate the lock in question with a friendly, on-site administrator or moderator.

We need more moderators. Right now, HBH is being polluted by some, and cleaned by less. We need more cleaners, more regulars, educated members which can help. They are here, search them. Hear them. Let them help you.

3) Change the site. Dare to remove challenges which seem odd. Have the guts to change things around, perhaps code new features, get rid of things which are pointless. The site has gained a lot of weight the past few years, now it's time to go to the gym and get rid of that extra luggage you don't need.

4) Code bank. Fix it? No damn it, a total revamp is what it needs! Right now it's useless, while it should be one of the main attractions of HBH. It should get the same attention as the articles get, perhaps even more.

This site needs to be a lot more active. We should start by getting rid of what we don't need, after that we can develop our own future.

Start developing today, start gaining tomorrow, it's that easy.

I bet you have something to say about this, staff, so let us debate. Let us talk about the future of HBH, right here, right now.

I am pleading you, to accept my invitation for an open debate. Please comment and reply, talk and invent.

Discuss.




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1) Articles. Some staff will accept anything just to get new content. Many articles are plagiarized, idiotic and unreadable. It's too late to get them out of the system now, but we -can- filter the articles which are yet to come. Don't accept rubbish, cause, it's rubbish. Dare to delete articles which get 10+ poor votes. Dare to question the source of information. Dare to question the quality of the article.


Point made. Will take note. However we wont delete exisiting articles, as it will fuck up SEO. Less SEo and less content = less visitors. Less visitors = less money. Money = hosting.


2) The forum. This forum is being flooded by idiots. Start removing this idiocy by LETTING THE IDIOTS READ THE FORUM RULES. They will remain blatant fools until you pushed the rules under their tiny little noses. The forum rules need an update too, by the way. Go check them out in the "rules" section of this forum, you'll see what I'm talking about. Those few lines of text don't "rule" anything.


makes sense. when we get the time for further development we'll make sure you are redirected and agree to forum rules before you can post.


Stop deleting threads, start LOCKING them. Deleting threads often cause confusion and irritation. By locking them, people can still read them and either find out why they were locked, or debate the lock in question with a friendly, on-site administrator or moderator.


no. locking threads means content is still visible. not only is this bad for search engines, as HBH will then be indexed with less and less appealing keywords, it is also bad for visitors first impressions. i delete threads for a reason.


We need more moderators. Right now, HBH is being polluted by some, and cleaned by less. We need more cleaners, more regulars, educated members which can help. They are here, search them. Hear them. Let them help you.


our newest admin will soon become forum mod.


3) Change the site. Dare to remove challenges which seem odd. Have the guts to change things around, perhaps code new features, get rid of things which are pointless. The site has gained a lot of weight the past few years, now it's time to go to the gym and get rid of that extra luggage you don't need.


no we wont be removing challenges or remove content, for reasons stated above. we are working on new features the whole time, EM's are able to see them come and go. next release is "my threads" feature. however, I'm at work 9 hours a day coding, monday to friday. So i dont really have the time to come home and start coding all over again. Mixed with a heavy social life, things become very very busy. Other developers are in a similar situation, so development is slow, but steady. Others who have the time often.. sadly, lack the skill required.


4) Code bank. Fix it? No damn it, a total revamp is what it needs! Right now it's useless, while it should be one of the main attractions of HBH. It should get the same attention as the articles get, perhaps even more.


its on our to-do list. and currently debating whether to make it a wiki, or atleast have comments that have "code view" so amends/improvements can be made.


This site needs to be a lot more active. We should start by getting rid of what we don't need, after that we can develop our own future.


To increase activity, invite your friends, make more forum posts, encourage interaction, etc. I dont think lack of site activity is due to current content, its just due to interaction. people use hbh constantly throughout the day, just often members keep to themselves.
(we consistantly have way over 1,500 people visit teh site each day, and over 20 hits a second. we have thousands of challenge attempts each day etc)


Start developing today, start gaining tomorrow, it's that easy.


If I had the time, i'd work on HBH 24/7. I love this site and theres nothing more satisfying than bring out a new feature or helping other members. however.. its time for coding that I lack.


Hope that answerered your questions.

Constructive critisism welcome.


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Posted on 01-07-08 23:15
Mr_Cheese wrote:
Point made. Will take note. However we wont delete exisiting articles, as it will fuck up SEO. Less SEo and less content = less visitors. Less visitors = less money. Money = hosting.


I agree that you don't have to delete existing articles, and I'm happy to see your dedication to better filtering.

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makes sense. when we get the time for further development we'll make sure you are redirected and agree to forum rules before you can post.


Time? This could be accomplished in less than a few minutes, just make them read the forum rules on registration, or PM the rules when they have registered. Take a more ACTIVE stance on this, for it is needed.


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no. locking threads means content is still visible. not only is this bad for search engines, as HBH will then be indexed with less and less appealing keywords, it is also bad for visitors first impressions. i delete threads for a reason.


You could add locked threads to your robots.txt file. Or, even easier, move all locked threads to one sub-category in the forum, this category is not indexed by the use of robots.txt.

And why would visitors get bad impressions from an active, moderated site? If content is highly offensive (porn, racism), sure, it can be removed, but if the dispute is about something like opinions or a personal conflict, deletion is not needed.

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no we wont be removing challenges or remove content, for reasons stated above.

So you're basically saying that SEO is more important than quality? Wow, I'm speechless. I'm sure that quality equals more money that SEO does.

Mr_Cheese wrote:
we are working on new features the whole time, EM's are able to see them come and go. next release is "my threads" feature. however, I'm at work 9 hours a day coding, monday to friday. So i dont really have the time to come home and start coding all over again. Mixed with a heavy social life, things become very very busy. Other developers are in a similar situation, so development is slow, but steady.

Get more developers. There IS talent, find it!

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Others who have the time often.. sadly, lack the skill required.

This is a nonsensical argument, care to show me your study?

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its on our to-do list. and currently debating whether to make it a wiki, or atleast have comments that have "code view" so amends/improvements can be made.


I think a wiki would not improve the quality. I'm all for easier submitting, editing and commenting. How about (for starters) making it a bit like the articles work right now? It would need different formatting but the system behind it is basically the same.

Mr_Cheese wrote:
To increase activity, invite your friends, make more forum posts, encourage interaction, etc. I dont think lack of site activity is due to current content, its just due to interaction. people use hbh constantly throughout the day, just often members keep to themselves.
(we consistantly have way over 1,500 people visit teh site each day, and over 20 hits a second. we have thousands of challenge attempts each day etc)


How many active members are there? Members that stay, and contribute to the site? I think more people will become a contributing member when HBH gets an overhaul. We need a more flexible, intelligent environment, where people can invent and debate. Right now HBH is not a breeding place for intelligent hackers, quite the opposite, methinks.

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If I had the time, i'd work on HBH 24/7. I love this site and theres nothing more satisfying than bring out a new feature or helping other members. however.. its time for coding that I lack.


More developers. More staff. It's not a one-man's job.

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Hope that answerered your questions.


My suggestions weren't questions, rather, suggestions.

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Constructive critisism welcome.


Glad to hear this.


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Posted on 02-07-08 00:34
How about trying something like the Logic/Timed sections are. PM them the rules and give them a certain amount of time to complete a multiple-choice test if they wish to be allowed to post in the forums. Another thing I know that works from my time at Yahoo Answers is giving the poster points for asking/answering in a professional manner and citing sources. That usually motivates people to research before they answer. And a temporary ban from the forums if something that blatantly violates the rules is posted.

Just throwing around some ideas here..





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