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Posted on 06-08-08 03:10
yo all,

I want to know what is the best Linux for newbs... right now I have openSUSE and some programmer guy said to use that but he also said to learn C# and Java as my 2nd and 3rd language (other then XHTML).

I don't use it on my main computer but I use it on a shitty little laptop that runs okay but I just at a learning stage right now.

*random question* if openSUSE is okay, do any of you know of any good wireless drivers...... I cant connect to wireless internet for shit and it has a wireless card and all (used to be a windowsXP)

thanks ahead of time and peace
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Posted on 06-08-08 03:51
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There are no "best versions", just the one(s) that suit(s) you best.

Take heed to this. Don't let anybody tell you that you HAVE to use a certain OS.
For wifi, try learning how to use Ndiswrapper.
http://osdir.com/. . .00032.html

You basically find out what your chip is. I think it is
lspci -v
on Linux and it is
ipconfig/all
on Windows and then you look under
Wireless LAN adapter Wireless Network connection and look for Description.
Once you know what it is, then you proceed to download the drivers for the wireless adapter. Once you do that then, you install it to a certain location on your disk. Make sure that it is a .inf file and a .sys file. Once they are downloaded, then you run
ndiswrapper -i <file location>
note that you may have to do
ndiswrapper -i <file location.inf>
Once you do that, you have to set up the WEP, SSID and some other shit and it should work like magic. There is a video on youtube that does this same process as well. You can find it by searching Ndiswrapper.
PS. Does anybody know where to find drivers for an Atheros AR5007EG wireless adapter? The one on ndiswrappers page points to a nonexistent FTP file.




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Posted on 16-09-08 11:23
If your new to *nix ubuntu is very good. In terms of hacking, the backtrack 3 live disk is also good and being a live disk you wont mess anything up on your computer whilst messing about and getting used to it...
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Posted on 16-09-08 11:29
I agree with MrMayhem. Backtrack is good and so is ubuntu but once youve gotten used to it you might want to switch to something like Arch linux or Scientific Linux. They are both good Smile


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Posted on 16-09-08 11:37
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I agree with MrMayhem. Backtrack is good and so is ubuntu but once youve gotten used to it you might want to switch to something like Arch linux or Scientific Linux. They are both good Smile


>_>

You used the same instance of the word "good" for both Backtrack and Ubunutu. Who the fuck are you and why are you even talking here?



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Posted on 16-09-08 11:37
I havent used many versions of Linux yet, but so far BackTrack 3 and BackTrack 2 are my favourite...

http://www.remote. . .nload.html

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Posted on 16-09-08 11:41
For C# I find windows is better (one of the only situations where this is the case).

If you are serious about learning more about linux, check out gentoo, its complex but very well documented, and once you know more about whats going on in the background it will help you along with linux (*nix's) in general.


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spyware wrote:
>_>

You used the same instance of the word "good" for both Backtrack and Ubunutu. Who the fuck are you and why are you even talking here?


Well I used good for Backtrack for 'hacking' and shit and ubuntu for its ease of use!

And to answer your first question, Im me, You dont know me, so fuck you and get a life.
For your second question, Im talking here because its a free site and every member is entitled to use the forums.


...Prick...


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Posted on 16-09-08 13:04
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For C# I find windows is better (one of the only situations where this is the case).

I agree... Mono is not developed enough on Linux to be completely useful yet, although it's fun to play with C# and Glade.


If you are serious about learning more about linux, check out gentoo, its complex but very well documented, and once you know more about whats going on in the background it will help you along with linux (*nix's) in general.

Oh, yes... Gentoo is a wonderful thing. Set aside a weekend to install Gentoo (because it could take you that long if you've never done it before) but, once you're done with it, you'll have a very fast and clean Linux system. Also, Portage > all else. Gentoo is my fav Linux of all time, although I've also enjoyed Debian, Arch, and Slackware (currently) as primary distros.

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>_>

You used the same instance of the word "good" for both Backtrack and Ubunutu. Who the fuck are you and why are you even talking here?

DarkMantis wrote:
Well I used good for Backtrack for 'hacking' and shit and ubuntu for its ease of use!

Pick a "real" distro to actually learn how to use it at more than a beginner level. Also, if you can compare Ubuntu's ease of use to Backtrack's multi-faceted capabilities, there's something amiss with your security knowledge-gaining approach.


And to answer your first question, Im me, You dont know me, so fuck you and get a life.
For your second question, Im talking here because its a free site and every member is entitled to use the forums.

Pay attention when established members respond... you can glean information from their response that will help you later. In this case, you should've seen the comparison that I just pointed out to you above.


...Prick...

... and you're no better. Rude and inexperienced.


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Posted on 16-09-08 14:20
Maybe I am no better, but what gives him the right to emply that Im not welcome on an open forum?


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Posted on 16-09-08 14:53
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Maybe I am no better, but what gives him the right to emply that Im not welcome on an open forum?


A general disdain for Ubuntu altogether as a serious open-source alternative to Windows, the inaccurate and almost criminal comparison of Backtrack to Ubuntu, and a relative lack of contribution (with intelligent supporting arguments) to the topic on your part. Mean? Maybe, but true.


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Posted on 16-09-08 14:53
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Maybe I am no better, but what gives him the right to emply that Im not welcome on an open forum?


You are welcome to make positive additions.

Positive. Additions.



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Posted on 16-09-08 16:45
I used Knoppix and Ubuntu as my learning Operating systems. Mandriva and Fedora are my favorites now, but they aren't for the light hearted. Took me a couple minutes to realize that Ubuntu is not Mandriva or Fedora.

Expect to spend some time learning no matter what distro you use, because no matter what one you use, they aren't all the same. As spyware pointed out, Backtrack and Ubuntu are almost polar opposites to each other. Backtrack is for the security minded, with a lot of capabilities and Ubuntu made for the entry level, usually those that just came from windows.




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Posted on 16-09-08 17:32
I'd agree with the majority on this thread that Ubuntu is entry level. I started on Ubuntu, then went to Debian. I frequent the uses of Backtrack, Knoppix, DSL, and a few other live cds from time to time just to test drive.


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Posted on 16-09-08 19:53
Hmm, I actually started off with Slackware around four years ago - it came free on the cover disc of a magazine and I did not realize at the time that it was considered to be one of the harder distros to install. The next distro I tried after that was PuppyLinux, again because it came free with a magazine cover disc. However, I didn't use Linux frequently until around two years ago, when I first started venturing into computing, beyond batch scripts and AOL.

I believe that Suse was one of the first distros that I used with any regularity, and after that, I tried out Ubuntu after seeing it on someone's laptop at school. I used Ubuntu for a fair amount of time, but also tried out other distros for short periods of time during my time with Ubuntu. I went through many distros, but now I am primarily a Debian/Slackware user Smile


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Posted on 17-09-08 07:50
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>_>

You used the same instance of the word "good" for both Backtrack and Ubunutu. Who the fuck are you and why are you even talking here?


hahahaha i love your answers


backtrack is a live cd never meant for actual work
ubuntu is a beginners linux everything just works without your interfering. you will learn something, but not as much as with a real linux.

fedora or debian would be the best choices you can make


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Posted on 17-09-08 09:35
well, I am OpenSUSE11 user and I don't think, it's bad system to start with linux... Novell AppArmor is well secured and apps can be installed with YaST or by compiling them...
About Mono: You are not right, it doesn't have just some namespaces, but you can still code and compile great windows apps with that. I know it, because it's my work


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Posted on 17-09-08 09:54
About DarthMantis, replace good with popular. I bet that's his experience with them.

As for me, I use XP + FC9 + live cd's. If someone plans on trying out a new distro, my advice is try the live cd before installing it as your main system. Or at least put it on a "fucking around with box" that you don't entirely depend on. I've tried a couple the hard way, it ends up being the unproductive way.

ssoo sleepy, I hope those are all comlplete scentances. If not, appology is given.


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Posted on 17-09-08 13:04
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I went through many distros, but now I am primarily a Debian/Slackware user Smile

Love 'em both. If I had to pick my fav 4, it would be, in this order: Gentoo, Slackware, Debian, Arch.

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About Mono: You are not right, it doesn't have just some namespaces, but you can still code and compile great windows apps with that. I know it, because it's my work

Well, join the club, guy. C# was my work at my last job, too, and the namespaces I needed to do my job weren't in Mono. Compared to the MS native equivalent, Mono is incomplete to those of us that require more than basic .Net functionality. Thus, it's not that I am "not right"... it's that you don't do enough with .Net to argue.

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Or at least put it on a "fucking around with box" that you don't entirely depend on.

Translated: old/alternate PC or Virtual Machine