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Negative Sterotypes. Its time for a change.

Arrow Image The true meaning of the word; has been lost in todays modern environment. We ourselves need to understand what a hacker is, before we can preach its philosophy.

I've been thinking about the negative stereotype of hackers and I'm inclined to think... we deserve it, basically.

Virtually everyone on virtually every "hacking" site, such as this one etc... They all talk about hacking and script kiddies and black hats . But I think over the last few years the true meaning of being a hacker has been completely lost.

Most people who wish to learn how to become a "hacker" do it for one purpose only.. To hack everything they can and become famous, or to impress their friends, or to be "powerful". This couldn't be more wrong and completely fucked up the true meaning of it.

Take a look at nearly every single "hacking group" out there. To name but a few... locus7 .. A99 ... g00ns .. myg0t.. They all call themselves "hackers" but what do they actually do... troll around the internet looking for absolutely any site they can get to hack... for the sole purpose of defacing it to become famous. Just as when they attack other hacking sites as this one, sole purpose is for fame and the illusion of "power".

More and more people are doing this nowadays and it's the precise reason everyone wants to start learning about "hacking". The whole ideology of hacking is lost. As my signature states and as I strongly believe.. hacking isn't just about computers / exploits, its a whole philosophy that can be applied to everything.

The hacking group called "SHC" is one of the only groups I have heard who actually try to make a difference to the world, taking up the job that I feel is so important to hackers. I've only heard of one other group who does what SHC does, and that group died out years ago and wasn't as advanced as SHC today. What they do is remove unethical sites such as racism and other various hate sites. They do what is morally correct and never target any website without proper ethical reasons. The work shc does is unmatched in any other group I and others have heard of. The work shc does has actually helped hundreds of people across the globe (online/offline) and has cleaned up several hate related websites most of the ones attacked are now empty and bare when they were once thriving communities filled with illogical racism.

But quite frankly if the reasons people are getting involved in hacking are for "fame" and "power", and if there's no other groups out there like SHC, then what is everyone supposed to think? People, who call themselves 'hackers' without truly knowing what that involves, bring the whole negative stereotype on themselves.

Now call me old fashioned and over the top, but I started hacking so I could actually make a difference in this world.
I started hacking to help people.
I started hacking to bring unethical sites off the Internet to protect everyone else, before they poison the thoughts and minds of children and easily lead minds.

Now don't get my wrong, I'm not saying don't defend hackers when someone negatively stereotypes them. Of course you should defend the whole ideology. But don't you think we should first understand the whole ideology ourselves first before we go criticizing what others think?

I'm a bit fed up and tired of everyone on these types of forums (not just hbh) going around saying the word "hacker" and thinking they know it all, and start flaming everyone who says something negative about hackers. The majority of these people have no concept of what it is to be a hacker, and that's made clear by their type of posts. Its understandable not many people know what it is to be a true hacker because there's very few out there actually preaching the ethics and responsibilities involved in being hacker…. But this has to change.

Perhaps we need to take a good look at what we think a hacker is, and perhaps re-evaluate whether we can call ourselves a true hacker. How can we justify hacking and criticize negative stereotypes if we ourselves don't even know what a hacker is.

"Hacking isnt just Computers & Exploits. It's a Philosophy." - Mr_Cheese


cubeman372on May 19 2006 - 00:29:40
I saw this in the forums and was about to post " Wow amazing talk, this should be an article." but you moved it.Wink
Mr_Cheeseon May 19 2006 - 00:38:40
one step ahead of you Smile i pleased you like it. hope it made you think a little.
Frozen Flameon May 19 2006 - 00:55:18
made me think. i too liked it and im kinda thinking, based on the vast majority that pretends to be hackers, there should be a diffrent name to describe the true people.
HopelessRomanticon May 19 2006 - 01:51:58
I agree with you, instead of critiscizing people who think negatively of hackers lets teach them, and what makes us different? We're all hackers and thats all most people will ever see.We may be ethical hackers and that makes us the minority and a vast minority at that. I became a hacker for the same reasons Mr_Cheese did, and I respect him for what he does. Also if I'm ever good enough I want to join SHC.
z3roon May 19 2006 - 03:30:34
I agree all the way. A great read. Grin
bl4ckc4ton May 19 2006 - 06:47:40
Stabbed it right on! Bl4ckC4t
seljojojoon May 19 2006 - 08:49:48
w00t cheese i started hacking by completing challenges for fun, and then started helping poeple. nice job man Wink
hack4uon May 19 2006 - 13:21:13
great article cheese i liked the read
iamgodoffireon May 19 2006 - 14:31:53
hey i really liked this article because it made me think of when i started out, which was for the fame/power/whatever. and just being around a site like this has compleatly changed me. 5/5 mate Grin
system_meltdownon May 19 2006 - 16:50:59
Nice work mate Smile
mozzeron May 19 2006 - 16:58:49
Yer, says a lot about the internet in general, not just hacking.
Arto_8000on May 19 2006 - 17:31:25
Thumbs Up Wink ... The better thing you can also do is when you see an possible exploit on a site just report it to the admin even if you don't really know the site, don't use it, because you destroy the work of people that have sometime work hard for it. As a programmer i think it's really frustrating to see your hole page deface.
AldarHawkon May 19 2006 - 17:32:58
Yes most of these so called "hackers" are actually what used to be termed a "cracker" or "criminal hacker". These type do what they do for self gain. Then there are the "script kiddies (SK's for short)" who just troll the internet looking for tools other people make that use known exploits. Both these types of "hackers" are nothing like a true hacker. A definition of a hacker is as follows: A person who enjoys exploring the details of programmable systems and how to stretch their capabilities, as opposed to most users, who prefer to learn only the minimum necessary. This is NOT what a 'cracker' or 'SK' is at all. A true hacker will as Mr Cheese has stated do it for the gain of ethics. nothing like defacing a site saying "<insert team name> RU135! G37 4 R341 5173!!!" that is just wrong.
shabouwcawon May 19 2006 - 18:40:00
i would just like to say.. commendable though your extermination of racist websites may be.. do you not think that they may be entitled to their opinion as much as you are. You are no better than a hacker hacking someones site just to put up "n00b" and a string of obsecenities if you screw up peoples websites. You say you have ethics.. but who decides what is morally acceptable? i'm not condoning racism. i hate it as much as anyone but do you not think everyone has the right to their own opinion.. THAT is what the internet is about. The freedom to do what we like, and not be bound by what we are marketed, or forcefed or indoctrinated to believe. Thats why i want to be a hacker.
AldarHawkon May 20 2006 - 01:34:46
shabouwcaw, Basically what you are saying is if some idiot makes a website about him raping 2 year old children this is okay because everyone has their right to put on the internet what they believe? You should really think what you put on the internet is up to whom ever puts it on the net? Racist people are closed minded individuals and need to be left out in an ice storm. The internet is about freedom of though true but with freedom and power comes responsabilities (am I sounding like Uncle Ben from Spider Man?) just remember if you have the power to stop an oppressor whom is trying to spread unrealistic propaganda then do it! I am in no way a Black Hat or even a Grey Hat but this is my thoughts on the matter.
The_Cellon May 20 2006 - 12:22:51
One of the best articles I've ever read.
thk-h3xon May 20 2006 - 13:58:30
I agree with The Cell, good job Cheese! I really enjoyed to read it Grin 5/5
shabouwcawon May 21 2006 - 12:05:13
Im not saying that anyone should make websites about raping two year olds and i agree that racists are subhuman, but who are we to decide what is ethical and what is not. the reason democracy exists is so that everyone has an opinion. what you engage is is vigilantism and is basically you doing what you think is right. if you follow that reasoning then you are saying that, for example, should some religious crazy start hacking and hack a system containing years of research into stem cell research their actions are condoned because they thought they were being ethical. That is a flawed arguement because once you start that where do you stop. I've seen animal rights activists petrol bomb peoples houses and kill peoples dogs because they were breeding animals for scientific experiamentation. they thought they were being ethical. do you think they were. WHO ARE WE TO DECIDE WHAT IS RIGHT AND WHAT IS WRONG.
i_cum_bloodon May 22 2006 - 01:54:45
This article could have got to the point. The hacker philosophy should have been explained in the largest paragragh, instead it was devoted to a SHC talk up Angry. Mr_Cheese dont forget, i dont care about the amount of work they do but their intentions are the same. Please write an article on the actual hacker philosophy, i'd really like to see it Smile. It would be much more interesting than this ego boost. P.S - Is SHC religion biased? you seemed to really push morals for a moment there. If you are biased, your no better than malicious hackers in my view Frown. P.S.S - i agree whol heartily with shaboucaw I rate: Poor
ripapartrealityon May 22 2006 - 04:32:23
You did propose some pretty interesting points, Mr_Cheese, about hacking along with its definition, however, when you propose to say what is right and wrong, you shuold specify that these are MERELY your opinions and not necessarily vital to the definition of a hacker. Morals and Ethics swayed in any direction shouldn't be used in definind a hacker. Granted, these things usually do play major parts in defining a hacker as a person, but in differnt ways in each hackers life. These diverse ethics or deviations from what was stated doesn' make a person any more or less of a hacker, or a person for that matter. Furthermore, is it not one of a hackers cherishes and most valued rights the freedom of speech???? As far as I can see, this needs to be included in the definition of a hacker and is unalienable. Obviously you have your right to your opinion and I have mine. What you want to do is take away someone else's rights. Im not going to call you wrong or right. Mabey a re-evaluation of your opinions are in order, and mabey not. All I ask is to try to please keep an open mind. Thank you all for your time and patience.... ---rip---
Mr_Cheeseon May 22 2006 - 11:40:55
im all for freedom of speech, BUT take racism for instance, isnt that illegal to spread racist hate propaganda over the radio/tv? ofcourse it is illegal and rightly so. Why is it then that its tolerated on the internet? being a hacker should be about helping others and ethics. your saying removing "illegal" sites from the internet is wrong? in regards to the paragraph on shc being a "ego boost" i think you misunderstood. that paragraph was there to show how rare work like that is, and how we need to see more actions like shc does. to the people who feel that illegal and race-hate related sites should be allowed to be on the internet... 1) you obviouilsy dont have a full grasp on how this world works. 2) your living in a fantasy world. 3) surely you aknowledge the fact removing those sites is helping and benefitting thousands of people? this is the whole reason i wrote this article, theres too many people out there who think they know it all about what it is to be a hacker, when clearly they dont fully understand the whole concept.
wolfmankurdon May 23 2006 - 18:17:31
sweet but myg0t arent hackers. I agree with you but you havnt really made clear what you mean to do. HBH is just about the only site I go to but I do get peaved when people do that.
Pyreforgeon May 28 2006 - 05:40:31
Well said Mr_Cheese. Couldn't agree more. The prevalence of the term 'hacker' really disgusts me. There are skiddies, crackers, everyone and his brother calling themselves hackers, where it should really be a title bestowed by others.
EnglishPandaon May 29 2006 - 19:19:06
I took up hacking for freedom, anti-censorship and because my freind kept dossing anything i stuck on the net. Since last week... I still remain with the same goals, one i already accomplished (he doesnt doss me anymore Grin).
feggeon May 30 2006 - 15:15:08
i am here to learn ,not to bring anyone down...including the racist. i cant agree with some ideas in the article....
zeldageekon June 17 2006 - 22:20:56
Interesting... nice article. I like what you're doing. Congrats on writing this article and running the SHC! Wink
Iorekon September 09 2006 - 04:36:30
Is it me, or is this one of the biggest problems we've got within our hacker community - that it's a rather disfunctional community. Be it newbies gettin flamed/someone for having different ideas, bickering about ethics and morales, etc. Ofcourse we aint all gonna agree on the same thing, thats fuckin impossible. It doesn't happen. But shouldn't we at least agree together on our image and how it is to be projected? Maybe if we can understand ourselves, then we can correct the negative stereotypes that the public hold about us. As for ethics, visit and see if you agree with that shit! No, but then some people will say "Take it down" whilst others will say "Who are we to do that?" - We are fucking hackers to do that, thats who - and it's that very website that made me get into this, so that i could, for the sole reason, remove it - I don't wan't my family reading up on their articles of child abuse/female insuperiority/racism - If they can't spread their shit on the TV/Radio/Streets, then they sure as fuck can't do it on the internet, one of the most widely accessible communication mediums on the planet! So for those who say "Who are you to take that down?" - who are you to tell they who would remove it, not to? I don't wanna upset/offend anybody, sorry for writing fuckin War and Peace here - I'll try and set this out and post it as an article - Peace!
ZoNe_VoRTeXon November 13 2006 - 01:21:51
I disagree. n00bs: they come and they go. the people you speak of as somehow "evil" are purely n00bs. They have nothing better to do and overall they do no real damage and they will be out of the /scene/ in a matter of months. Of course, then you get the real criminals, the "Black-Hats". Those are the guys who actually are interested in the more underground stuff, and guess what? they know what they're doing and dont get caught. If a website was made by a computer-illiterate admin who skiddies his PHP from a major distributor, then an RFI is found and for 6 months he doesnt even bother to patch it. Yes, its only a matter of time until a bunch of morons come by and deface his site. is that evil? no. Its just stupid. Hackers are individuals, what they do online defines them as a person. There are no "true-hackers" because everone is different and believes a different thing. In my experience people who label themselves as "the good-guys" and "ethical gaurdians" are in themselves, noobs, and use this title to hide their incompetance. There is absalutely nothing heroic about defacing a racist website. Its no different that "ISKORPTIX" and all of his defacer kiddie buddies on Zone-h. It was done for the defacer's own image.
dl0rdon January 08 2007 - 22:19:05
"They do what is morally correct and never target any website without proper ethical reasons.", Lets say hypothetically that I hate this site and I believe you teach about bullshit ethics .. so is it ok if I hack this site since I disagree with it?
cjay554on February 14 2007 - 00:02:09
I couldn't simply agree more, i never really knew anything about computers, much at all, until lets say... myspace -.-' yes, myspace, from there i went into html, then into javascript, java itself, c++ assembly, all around, although i am no "master" at these languages, i get the basic point, although, what mostly interest me in everything is the virus, i never became a "Hacker" in the word itself, i became an Observer of these hacks, i couldnt find anything more interesting then openning a virus into its binary, hex, even a language that it might of been programmed in, take a looka t how it ticks, that is the real authensity of a "hacker", curious, wants to know whatever he can get his hands on, or has the ability to. Not someone that harasses others only to find an accomplishment in himself. Me, i couldnt tell you the first thing about going into a web site, getting passcodes using whatever method suits your needs, brute force, talk trickery, w/e, i observe the movements and try to predict where it will continue, i have only begun my 6th month of actual learning of language an such, havent completed a set of anything... but i do have scattered knowledge, the problem is, i dont know where to start so i can actually use it all. Sadly my lack of attention tends to slip off into different subjects, take lego's i begin building a block here... a block there, another there, and one more, now, i go back and look at the pieces and cant really tell what goes where, thats pretty much the predicament im in :/ but either way, im hopin to figure out somehow to arrange it all. That is a hacker, someone who gives intuition to do something, gives his mind to learning something, never quits at lost sights.
owninizeron December 27 2007 - 01:32:30
Completely Right! People need to stop coming into to hacking wanting power and fame. Great Article
Elu-veit-ieon November 13 2008 - 22:44:31
This Mr cheese, is the reason why i am starting to hack, to learn as much as i can. I can probable link you to site that need to be taken down, but the list would simply be to long. Also Another reason i am learning is to seek out melicious hacker and sites to make the internet a better place.:ninja:
Mtutnidon September 28 2010 - 19:01:07
Great article. Nothing new mentioned. But that to make a difference as a hacker is not old-fashioned, but naive or let's say childish. Don't get me wrong. There is nothing and absolutely nothing wrong with that.
Neutr0non May 08 2013 - 21:44:36
bahpomet1105on November 07 2015 - 05:21:35
It's hard for me not to deface racist website and other alike Mr_Cheese That was an amazing Article I too started off ethically hacking. I am always the one helping others for just for nothing but my ideals.
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