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I just got done reading the latest news posting(about police in britain hacking home pc's) and i'm quite pissed. I just thought I would open a thread so everyone can post their ideas about securing your computer and network.
I think using an operating system other than windows is a good and obvious start.
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Use a firewall and anti-virus. That's really it, the police aren't going to have the sources to hire some kind of security team. They will probably use some kind of special program for the police. However, if the police do get some kind of security team, I guarantee there will be a backlash.
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nights_shadow wrote:
Use a firewall and anti-virus. That's really it, the police aren't going to have the sources to hire some kind of security team. They will probably use some kind of special program for the police. However, if the police do get some kind of security team, I guarantee there will be a backlash.
ever heard of the hightech crime unit? =/
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mambo wrote:
nights_shadow wrote:
Use a firewall and anti-virus. That's really it, the police aren't going to have the sources to hire some kind of security team. They will probably use some kind of special program for the police. However, if the police do get some kind of security team, I guarantee there will be a backlash.
ever heard of the hightech crime unit? =/
Again, I say police, not joint efforts that police can prosper from:
"Law enforcement agencies which are involved with the High Tech Crime Unit include the FBI, IRS Criminal Investigations Division, U.S. Customs Service, U.S. Secret Service, U.S. Attorney's Office, Texas Attorney General's Office Internet Bureau, Texas Department of Public Safety and the Travis County District Attorney's Office. The Austin Metro High Tech Foundation, an organization sponsored by several local high tech companies"
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apologies, didnt understand what you meant.
HTCU is now part of the serious organised crime unit, so to be honest you would have to have done something pretty big for them to 'hack your computer'
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mambo wrote:
apologies, didnt understand what you meant.
HTCU is now part of the serious organised crime unit, so to be honest you would have to have done something pretty big for them to 'hack your computer'
No no, you brought up a good example of what is out there right now. I do agree that you'd have to be a bit of a serious threat to be looked at by these guys. At that point, you better have your own security person. 
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isent that elegal in the us to invade our privicy? jw.... idk about there |
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game_freak wrote:
isent that elegal in the us to invade our privicy? jw.... idk about there
Think that would stop them?
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game_freak wrote:
isent that elegal in the us to invade our privicy? jw.... idk about there
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Think that would stop them?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act
Your loss of privacy is only a tiny law away.
I still check PMs from time to time.
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Zephyr_Pure wrote:
game_freak wrote:
isent that elegal in the us to invade our privicy? jw.... idk about there
nights_shadow wrote:
Think that would stop them?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act
Your loss of privacy is only a tiny law away.
Think it'll turn into another wiretapping story?
Hey, pass this law. Oh, by the way, we were illegally wiretapping these people. Sorry, patriot act gives us immunity because we were doing it for the good of the nation. HAHA, suckers.
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To leave people's internet privacy/To invade it, in a state, is very dangerous.
The conflict existed, and had developed since the flaw of the information and communication online.
I think, something should be done about this, as a solution-- Every individual should have a right to an acceptable degree of privacy, so a line should be drawn somewhere.
But, I don't know how far, those individuals will accept this.
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nights_shadow wrote:
Think it'll turn into another wiretapping story?
Hey, pass this law. Oh, by the way, we were illegally wiretapping these people. Sorry, patriot act gives us immunity because we were doing it for the good of the nation. HAHA, suckers.
Oh, passing the law to condone what they're already doing to some degree? Yeah, wouldn't surprise me.
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To leave people's internet privacy/To invade it, in a state, is very dangerous.
The conflict existed, and had developed since the flaw of the information and communication online.
Did you just... argue with yourself?  I think the word you were looking for, instead of "conflict", was "contradiction".
god_peet wrote:
I think, something should be done about this, as a solution-- Every individual should have a right to an acceptable degree of privacy, so a line should be drawn somewhere.
But, I don't know how far, those individuals will accept this.
A loss of privacy is a loss of privacy. What's acceptable to some may not be to others. I can agree, though, that the initial mention of invasion of privacy in this thread, as well as the Patriot Act, are both highly undesirable. Couple this with the media's interpretation of hackers and hacking in general, and this could very well turn into a "witch-hunt" of sorts.
I still check PMs from time to time.
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Who the fuck thinks that this doesn't already happen?
Me. Police, no. Joint operations with higher law enforcement, yes.
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If I remember correctly, the Patriot Act or something similar in the U.S. related hacking to breaking and entering. So technically, the FBI, Homeland Security, what have you, would need a search warrant to actually hack into your home computer, under the Bill of Rights, and your protection from unwarranted search and seizure. I'm not sure if the U.K. has any warrant laws or not, or if they relate hacking to breaking and entering. If so, that would be a nice technicality to use in a court case. |
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Who cares? Cops are people too, who's to say they can't hack? If this was some civilian going around hacking, you wouldn't bitch about it. You'd just make sure your network was secure and go on about your business.
If your problem is the hypocrisy of it then you're S.O.L. because hypocrisy is a part of life and you'll never escape it. In fact, as hackers, we shouldn't be telling anyone they can't hack, even cops. If you're getting hacked then it's partially your fault for not securing your shit properly.
Also, and this may be a false assumption, but I'm sensing some hostility toward the government and/or the police force. If this is because you or someone you know has been prosecuted for a crime, then you shouldn't have any negative feelings towards them because it's your fault for not being careful enough and getting caught (unless they framed you :angry .
But maybe I'm just crazy...
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Skunkfoot wrote:
Who cares? Cops are people too, who's to say they can't hack? If this was some civilian going around hacking, you wouldn't bitch about it. You'd just make sure your network was secure and go on about your business.
If your problem is the hypocrisy of it then you're S.O.L. because hypocrisy is a part of life and you'll never escape it. In fact, as hackers, we shouldn't be telling anyone they can't hack, even cops. If you're getting hacked then it's partially your fault for not securing your shit properly.
Also, and this may be a false assumption, but I'm sensing some hostility toward the government and/or the police force. If this is because you or someone you know has been prosecuted for a crime, then you shouldn't have any negative feelings towards them because it's your fault for not being careful enough and getting caught (unless they framed you :angry .
But maybe I'm just crazy...
skunkfoot FTW!
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I've never been arrested or come even close to it. I just hate the system that the governments of today run on. Propaganda, control of the media, economic control, and suppression are the names of the game. I guess you are right though, that if you are hacked by the police, it would be your own fault 
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As long as there is Woman, there shall be an unpractical solution." -Moshbat
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Skunkfoot wrote:
Also, and this may be a false assumption, but I'm sensing some hostility toward the government and/or the police force. If this is because you or someone you know has been prosecuted for a crime, then you shouldn't have any negative feelings towards them because it's your fault for not being careful enough and getting caught (unless they framed you :angry .
The current system of law enforcement in the united states is a bunch of shit and I am currently working with certain people under part of a certain administration to help provide a new guideline for reforming inmates and helping citizens with the police. The police should not be able to walk all over your civil rights and use terrorist tactics in doing so.
And it's not that they catch you that make most people mad, it's that most of them are incredible douchbags about it.
As for the united kingdom and moshbat's post, I doubt that the police has the ability to bypass typical anti-virus and firewall software (as the intention of post before thread got hijacked by our political and moral points of view ). Issuing forensics like looking at isp logs, recovering files, and etc. on the defensive, I most certainly agree. However, on the offensive action, I doubt it very much.
However, it's entirely possible I'm wrong. Just give me a PoC.
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Maybe it's just me, but isn't it sort of wrong to try to prevent cops from hacking? I mean, anyone should be able to hack, regardless of what job they have (if any).
If you're concerned about the cops hacking your shit, then just make sure it's secure and don't worry about it.
Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, that there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imaginations of ourselves.
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nights_shadow wrote:
mambo wrote:
nights_shadow wrote:
Use a firewall and anti-virus. That's really it, the police aren't going to have the sources to hire some kind of security team. They will probably use some kind of special program for the police. However, if the police do get some kind of security team, I guarantee there will be a backlash.
ever heard of the hightech crime unit? =/
Again, I say police, not joint efforts that police can prosper from:
"Law enforcement agencies which are involved with the High Tech Crime Unit include the FBI, IRS Criminal Investigations Division, U.S. Customs Service, U.S. Secret Service, U.S. Attorney's Office, Texas Attorney General's Office Internet Bureau, Texas Department of Public Safety and the Travis County District Attorney's Office. The Austin Metro High Tech Foundation, an organization sponsored by several local high tech companies"
You brits won't need to worry about the FBI, SS, and all that other US rot... Britain doesn't like America
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