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Thanks for the link
Yes I know, there is some problems with Google. But when you compile your website with Flew Builder 3 (http://www.adobe.com/products/flex/?promoid=BPDEQ), an index file is created. Then you can edit the source and enter meta key. 
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I for one, surf with Noscblockedript turned on. Btw, everyone who doesn't, does NOT understand the Internet.
Have fun with your crappy swf (CPU-FUCKING-CYCLES)/js-only sites.
I never said they were better, just pointed out google can index them. SWF have a time and place, JS has a time and place, and HTML has its time and place. As a webdeveloper your job is to think about what audience you are trying to reach. If you wish to reach gamers, a more interactive flash based site may be more beneficial to you. A blog on the other hand would best be written in simple HTML with CSS.
I figured that you would have the common sense to understand flash based sites would not be optimal in most situations, but you proved me wrong on that one. Next time I'll open my front door and shout it out to the whole fucking world. Would that help?
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I never said they were better, just pointed out google can index them. SWF have a time and place, JS has a time and place, and HTML has its time and place. As a webdeveloper your job is to think about what audience you are trying to reach. If you wish to reach gamers, a more interactive flash based site may be more beneficial to you. A blog on the other hand would best be written in simple HTML with CSS.
I figured that you would have the common sense to understand flash based sites would not be optimal in most situations, but you proved me wrong on that one. Next time I'll open my front door and shout it out to the whole fucking world. Would that help?
Maintaining a flash-driven website or something? Sheesh. When I was "shouting", I was being angry at FLASH. And flash developers. Yeah, flash has a time and a place. Games. That's the only thing it should do. Should these be streamed from a browser? Probably not. Maybe in a separate thread, then it should be okay.
Websites should be coded purely in valid HTML and CSS standards. Should we go out of our way to support IE6.0? NO. Should we exclude people who don't run Javascblockedript? NO. Should we exclude people who don't/can't run flash? NO.
Why do gamers need flash websites? You can make BEAUTIFUL websites without flash, using only HTML and CSS. Personal opinion? Maybe. Should we make flash-driven websites? No, fuck no. Compliance with worldwide standards improves security, user-experience and will create a better structured, more solid World Wide Web.
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Why do gamers need flash websites? You can make BEAUTIFUL websites without flash, using only HTML and CSS. Personal opinion? Maybe. Should we make flash-driven websites? No, fuck no. Compliance with worldwide standards improves security, user-experience and will create a better structured, more solid World Wide Web.
HTML site are very easy to hack (cf basic web hacking) andy kids could crash your website. Hacking Flash site require some AS3 skills.
I'm agree with you, some HTML site are very beautiful but if you want to add some flash movie & some RIA...then....it's sooooo long to download it. A Flash site is totaly downloaded, not a HTML site.
You can build some AIR application with flash code. It's impossible to do it with HTML.  |
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HTML site are very easy to hack (cf basic web hacking) andy kids could crash your website. Hacking Flash site require some AS3 skills.
I'm agree with you, some HTML site are very beautiful but if you want to add some flash movie & some RIA...then....it's sooooo long to download it. A Flash site is totaly downloaded, not a HTML site.
You can build some AIR application with flash code. It's impossible to do it with HTML.
AIR? Fuck AIR! Fuck Adobe! Yeah, that's right, fuck 'em! Also, how do you mean "crash" a website? HTML and CSS are just plaintext things rendered by a browser. (Javascblockedript too, but Javascblockedript is just one big, big security hole). You can use whatever fucking language you want to generate the plaintext. PHP, Perl, Python, whatever. Just don't put more (closed-source) SHIT in my browser.
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Maintaining a flash-driven website or something? Sheesh. When I was "shouting", I was being angry at FLASH. And flash developers. Yeah, flash has a time and a place. Games. That's the only thing it should do. Should these be streamed from a browser? Probably not. Maybe in a separate thread, then it should be okay.
Websites should be coded purely in valid HTML and CSS standards. Should we go out of our way to support IE6.0? NO. Should we exclude people who don't run Javascblockedript? NO. Should we exclude people who don't/can't run flash? NO.
Why do gamers need flash websites? You can make BEAUTIFUL websites without flash, using only HTML and CSS. Personal opinion? Maybe. Should we make flash-driven websites? No, fuck no. Compliance with worldwide standards improves security, user-experience and will create a better structured, more solid World Wide Web.
This is something I can agree with. We can get more ontopic now.
Some sites to help with web design:
http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2008/11/05/strategic-design-6-steps-for-building-successful-websites/
http://www.secretsites.com (slightly outdated, 2004)
http://cssmania.com/
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Why do gamers need flash websites? You can make BEAUTIFUL websites without flash, using only HTML and CSS. Personal opinion? Maybe. Should we make flash-driven websites? No, fuck no. Compliance with worldwide standards improves security, user-experience and will create a better structured, more solid World Wide Web.
HTML site are very easy to hack (cf basic web hacking) andy kids could crash your website. Hacking Flash site require some AS3 skills.
I'm agree with you, some HTML site are very beautiful but if you want to add some flash movie & some RIA...then....it's sooooo long to download it. A Flash site is totaly downloaded, not a HTML site.
You can build some AIR application with flash code. It's impossible to do it with HTML.
Lol. Seriously? Hack an html site? Do you propose doing that with DoS or with FTP password brutefortcing? You can't even argue that you could use the expresblockedsion vulnerability, because that requires input being placed on a page, which requires a server side language in most cases.
Back on topic, I agree with Mosh that stealth's website is nice. It's nice because it uses the nice simple design I previously mentioned: the single bar up top and the navbar on the side with the main content on the right of the navbar.
     
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Whilst true about the fact some search engines can index SWFs, not ALL information will be indexed, not nearly as much as an XHTML page. Also, with SWFs you can't specify which elements are more important, <h1> for example, as header tags which contain keywords relevant to the site are important, and in an SWF these are non-existant.
But anyway, the point still stands that text based browsers and people with Javascblockedript turned off completely, or partially off via Noscblockedript, will see NOTHING at all.
XHTML and CSS are fine for web design, Flex is good for in-browser applications, for example Elites0ft uses Flex for the admin panel application, but nothing else.
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in-browser applications
DEVIL TAKETH YOUR SOUL
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spyware wrote:
system_meltdown wrote:
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DEVIL TAKETH YOUR SOUL
Wow, you must really hate Flash...
I don't like the idea of having closed-source software in my browser, but still I think there's some places where Flash can be used, like movie-players, games and such. The worst thing I know is whole websites in Flash.
They're slow, ugly, and are harder to secure than PHP/(X)HTML/CSS websites.
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p4plus2 wrote:
I never said they were better, just pointed out google can index them. SWF have a time and place, JS has a time and place, and HTML has its time and place. As a webdeveloper your job is to think about what audience you are trying to reach. If you wish to reach gamers, a more interactive flash based site may be more beneficial to you. A blog on the other hand would best be written in simple HTML with CSS.
I figured that you would have the common sense to understand flash based sites would not be optimal in most situations, but you proved me wrong on that one. Next time I'll open my front door and shout it out to the whole fucking world. Would that help?
Maintaining a flash-driven website or something? Sheesh. When I was "shouting", I was being angry at FLASH. And flash developers. Yeah, flash has a time and a place. Games. That's the only thing it should do. Should these be streamed from a browser? Probably not. Maybe in a separate thread, then it should be okay.
Websites should be coded purely in valid HTML and CSS standards. Should we go out of our way to support IE6.0? NO. Should we exclude people who don't run Javasc blockedript? NO. Should we exclude people who don't/can't run flash? NO.
Why do gamers need flash websites? You can make BEAUTIFUL websites without flash, using only HTML and CSS. Personal opinion? Maybe. Should we make flash-driven websites? No, fuck no. Compliance with worldwide standards improves security, user-experience and will create a better structured, more solid World Wide Web.
I agree, overall.
But let's face it, people who can't use Javascblockedript or Flash in their browsers are so rare these days that they almost don't exist.
Javascblockedript can actually be very helpful for making a site run smooth, for example with slow internet connections, it can mean refreshing only a portion of a page, rather than the whole thing.
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I agree, overall.
But let's face it, people who can't use Javascblockedript or Flash in their browsers are so rare these days that they almost don't exist.
Javascblockedript can actually be very helpful for making a site run smooth, for example with slow internet connections, it can mean refreshing only a portion of a page, rather than the whole thing.
If you think about it you could make it so your site supports a javascblockedriptless environment. Say you use links to dynamically load content, what if you made them real links to a alternative page with all of the content and then had a javascblockedript that would change the location to a javascblockedript function that changes your content. That way the links only change to a javascblockedript environment if javascblockedript is enabled, and its not that much more work in the short or long term.
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I agree, overall.
But let's face it, people who can't use Javascblockedript or Flash in their browsers are so rare these days that they almost don't exist.
Security awareness. You don't have it.
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x_5631 wrote:
I agree, overall.
But let's face it, people who can't use Javascblockedript or Flash in their browsers are so rare these days that they almost don't exist.
Security awareness. You don't have it.
Care to elaborate?
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spyware wrote:
x_5631 wrote:
I agree, overall.
But let's face it, people who can't use Javascblockedript or Flash in their browsers are so rare these days that they almost don't exist.
Security awareness. You don't have it.
Care to elaborate?
Disabling javascblockedript and flash prevents redirects, cookie stealing, unescapable rickrolls, adverts, potential bugs in JS/flash and so on.
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AIR? Fuck AIR! Fuck Adobe!
I like Adobe, you don't like it okay it's your choice. There is many ways to do a website, I have mine...
AIR is more easy to use for me, I can do some desktop & web application & I'm happy. I had try to use C & PHP but I don't like it, it's too hard for me.
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spyware wrote:
AIR? Fuck AIR! Fuck Adobe!
I like Adobe, you don't like it okay it's your choice. There is many ways to do a website, I have mine...
AIR is more easy to use for me, I can do some desktop & web application & I'm happy. I had try to use C & PHP but I don't like it, it's too hard for me.
I never say that HTML website are bad, some of them are very cool.
I must agree to an extent with that. While air is perfectly suitable for simple applications such as a twitter search or a messenger system, it would not be very wise to make a video converter or file browser. Everything has its use, air is for simple applications requiring little to no system level interactions.
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x_5631 wrote:
spyware wrote:
x_5631 wrote:
I agree, overall.
But let's face it, people who can't use Javascblockedript or Flash in their browsers are so rare these days that they almost don't exist.
Security awareness. You don't have it.
Care to elaborate?
Disabling javasc blockedript and flash prevents redirects, cookie stealing, unescapable rickrolls, adverts, potential bugs in JS/flash and so on.
and Yet none of those things have happened to me for a long time when I have it enabled, so they're not that big a risk.
Also, my point was not that Javascblockedript and Flash are amazing, it was that almost everyone has compatibility with them, and therefore if a site has Javascblockedript, if they have it turned off it's their problem that the scblockedripts wont work, and that just because some people don't use it doesn't mean that a site shouldn't.
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